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> Bringing up bird welfare to oppose wind turbines is bullshit. If people cared about birds or wildlife we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

Your comment seems to be a blanket opposition to bird welfare in general, not a limited critique of quantity harmed. I do think the distinction remains important, hence why I made my post.

> Do they make a lot more noise than giant cruise ships? Luxury yachts?

Given that the ships are itinerant and their turbines are much smaller, I do believe the type of noise pollution they generate is qualitatively less harmful. I imagine the scale is something along the lines of:

    1. windmills
    2. sonar
    3. marine vehicle engine and turbine noise
Windmills take the top spot for being a constant barrage over a large area.

Sonar gets the second for the extreme volume some ships (esp. military) are capable of producing, though there are far fewer of them.

Marine vehicles come last. There's a greater danger of animals being hit by fast moving boats (for example, manatees) than discombobulation from engine and turbine noise.



> I imagine the scale is something...

Do you have sources for this scale?

> Windmills take the top spot for being a constant barrage over a large area.

They're also static, so animals can just avoid them. Their blades spin a hundred feet above the water.

Ships move around so their sounds can be anywhere. Their propellers spin in the water. And there are way more large ships than offshore windmills.


> Your comment seems to be a blanket opposition to bird welfare in general

I don't know how you got that. I just think a lot of fake bird lovers come out of the woodwork to oppose wind turbines because of $MADE_UP_REASON. Real wildlife lovers recognize that clean energy is good for wildlife.




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