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I love Spotify and think it's an amazing service, but have recently started wondering if it's just as bad for artists as AllOfMp3. After reading about Lady Gaga earning close to nothing for 1 million plays, I'm not sure if it's a service that we should continue to support that much. If 1 million plays don't earn you any money, what's the incentive for less well-known artists?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/s...



Spotify responded that these figures were way out (without giving the true numbers). If I remember correctly, the low figure was for a short period & related only to the Swedish market AND for only the Swedish co-writer's royalty - i.e. it was half of the Swedish royalties for a few months, not the full worldwide royalties for a calender year. Here's one report:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/7590782/Spotify-reject...


Wow, thanks for the link, damned shame that their decent response didn't get the same press coverage.

So, phew, back to enjoying Spotify :-D


This is the picture you really want to see: "How much do music artists make online" http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music...


While stylish, there are so many issues with that infographic I don't know where to begin…


I think you'll find that an artist's income from 1 million Spotify plays far exceeds the equivalent income from ten plays at a radio station with 100,000 listeners.


I think you'll find that's an entirely subjective comment you've just made ;)

For example, there are plenty of radio stations who set up deals to play a new artist often for few royalties, because it's a cheap(er) way of promoting new and unknown artists.

Actually, no, you tell me precisely how much less artists earn from radio stations with few listeners. I think it might be the opposite to what you're trying to argue.


Not that I doubt you, but this really needs a citation.


Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to my threads page.

The only data that I have available is for the Swedish market. The Swedish Performing Rights Society, STIM, collect fees from everyone who plays music. This quote is from their annual report (source at the bottom):

"A 3-minute song played on one of Sweden's national radio channels produces around SEK 100 for authors and music publishers to share."

"A 3-minute song that is played on one of the commercial radio stations produces around SEK 3 for authors and music publishers to share."

Of course, listener numbers differ, there are radio programs on national radio that have 1 million listeners. A conservative estimate for an average listener number on national radio would be 50,000.

100 SEK is $13.46 according to Google, let's call it $15 to be conservative.

So 100 SEK for 50,000 plays equals $0.0003 per play on Swedish national radio. As you can see from the above the national radio pay a lot more per play than commercial stations.

1 million plays on national radio would in the best of cases give $300 for all the rights holders to share.

In the case of Lady Gaga's Poker Face, as explained in another article linked in this thread, the income would be split 50/50 between Lady Gaga and her Swedish songwriter (don't know the exact roles here but it's not important).

This means that the total payout for 1M plays of Poker Face from Spotify would be $167 * 2 = $334.

So even in this case the income for 1M plays on Spotify exceeds the equivalent income from 1M plays on Swedish national radio. Now, the Spotify payout numbers reported here are from the absolute first beginnings of Spotify and don't necessarily reflect the payout rates that are in place now when the service is more mature, as was explained in the other article further up in the thread.

STIM's latest annual report in English: http://bit.ly/9ZW85p


That would depend on whether or not you want to see the current music industry system saved or destroyed...


* If 1 million plays don't earn you any money, what's the incentive for less well-known artists?*

Very similar to CD sales -- the record companies take the profits and pay the artists very little. Exactly the opposite of what it should be.




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