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> The other major issue with "free money" is that it is purely inflationary,

Free money as in quantitative easing that overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy?


This has a breakdown of the numbers by fuel type, brand etc.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/


Motability is not 'a Government scheme that buys people cars'

People use the mobility part of their PIP payments to lease a car from Motability which is an independent company, they could use the mobility payment to pay for taxi instead.


It's also misleading to treat it just like another independent private company too (not just because Motability consists of both a limited company and a charity (or two, IIRC)). The limited company reinvests revenues or transfers to its charity, not to private shareholders. Its origin was a charity.

But the only reason it exists is because of government funds and government policy.

The scheme would collapse if the government stopped allowing benefit money to be used for Motability leases. The banks lent them money under the reassurance of the government funding.

But yes, they lease the vehicles, they don't sell them.

EDIT: my comment may have some minor inaccuracies. I just found https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmwo... - a very detailed description of the company, charities etc


The government heavily subsidises it. It's not a government scheme but it walks and talks like one.

its £77 a week. so its not going to buy you a top end car, you'll need to top up. if you want something "decent"

I'm not talking about that. The government waives multiple taxes for the scheme. Off the top of my head, no VAT on the car purchases, no luxury tax on vehicles worth £40k+, no insurance tax, no VED (road tax).

The scheme has cost billions in lost revenue and it's the only reason it can exist. The exact accounting is up for debate because it's complex but nonetheless.


There are / were no £40k+ cars available on Motability

Can't find it now but there's a breakdown of the cars supplied somewhere and even when small BMWs etc were available very few people chose them - most people chose smaller average cars

Motability also plays a huge role in priming the used car market in the UK - without them there would be less choice and cars would be more expensive


> There are / were no £40k+ cars available on Motability

This is categorically false.

> Motability also plays a huge role in priming the used car market in the UK

You could also argue that it's distorting the market. Having billions worth of subsidies supporting a market isn't necessarily good.


> no VAT on the car purchases

You can't buy the car, and your limited on miles to 10k, and VAT is now payable, along with insurnace tax. plus you can't lease a landrover.

but like I just don't get it. its not like you have a choice to be on PIP. its fucking humiliating to get on PIP, and keep on it.


Yeah, Motability buy the cars. Stop trying to come up with gotchas.

its a lease, I just don't know what to tell you

Yes, subsidised by the government. That's all.

And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi. So it’s a government scheme which buys people cars.

It’s not independent, because it derives all of its income from the government and uses it to buy people brand new top of the range cars.


> And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi.

You're gonna have to cite sources on that one, but I would sincerely doubt that £77 a week will allow you to lease an Audi.

Also the pip claimant has to be probed by a panel every three years to keep getting the benefit, unlike say a state pension (but I paid for that I mean possibly you did, its still a non means tested benefit, unlike PIP)


Not the OP but they have since been removed as they were luxury cars, but yes £77 a week did use to cover it. Here is the source directly from Audi:

https://media.audi.com/is/content/audi/country/uk/en/find-an...


Luxury meaning about a £33k car,

which on lease is about £80 a month more expensive https://www.gateway2lease.com/cars/audi/a3-saloon/22564/tfsi... (motobility is £308 a month)

so its not like its a luxury car, its a new car.

Personally I'm more pissed off about pensioners on final salary still getting state pension, even though they don't need it. Thats far more fucking expensive and doesn't serve a purpose, well apart from buying votes. means test that shit, right now.


Yes and to get a 'luxury car' aka small Audi, BMW or Mercedes someone had to put down a deposit of £3,000 of their own money

And to lease it, receive government benefits

And I wonder how much of that £3k is just saved up benefits...

Which disabilities require an Audi or BMW btw?



How long does it take to get from a helipad to the terminals at JFK?

Even at 15 Euros I bet its way cheaper than a helicopter or electric VTOL aircraft

Oh, yeah, and it can and does handle a scale of traffic that a helicopter service obviously couldn't. I think each train takes about a thousand people and they're every ten minutes or something.

The "use helicopters for airport access" thing seems, at best, extremely niche.


Joby plans to expand way beyond airport access, it’s meant to be basically flying rideshare. The key enabler is they designed it to be quiet enough to not annoy everyone around like a helicopter, so that it would be reasonable to have this thing taking off from residential neighborhoods. JFK access is just a very visible first test run.

This thing will not be taking off from residential neighborhoods. Regardless of noise, like any manned VTOL aircraft it requires a large open area free of overhead obstructions (trees, wires).

And the notion that landing pads will be installed on the roofs of tall buildings is mostly a fantasy. Commercial or high-rise roofs are mostly already occupied with other machinery, and aren't designed to support the extra weight.


> The UK does not have a good, cheap solution plentiful cheap electric in the next decade or two, so any major increase in demand will mean even higher costs.

Of course it does… the UK has tariffs that change by electricity demand and supply capacity

As we build out more renewables there will be more times of excess supply and hence cheaper electricity during these times

The buildout of battery storage and north-south inter-connectors will reduce this fluctuation but it’ll still be there

Over time the UK is going to switch it’s pattern of electricity consumption


The old "cheaper electricity is coming due to renewables, any day now"

An almost guaranteed reply


Nope…

People who receive PIP can choose to use to lease a car from Motability which is an independent scheme

Those people could equally choose to have an ICE car


Yes… but (from memory) someone recreated it but can remember who


Just introduce a charge per mile for EVs as the current government have already done

ICE cars are already hugely subsidised by ignoring the health issues they cause e.g. air pollution

What we really need in the UK is better mass transit systems in cities and their commuter zones to remove cars from the roads


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